GRP: Uh-Oh!!!! The Oregonian Editorial Board Has Come Up With Yet, Another Editorial That Strangely Stinks Of What Would Appear To Be , Once Again, Obvious Input From Bradwood Landing/NSNG Because It Sure Isn't From Any On-Scene Reporter From Their Staff That Would Have A "Hoot-In-Hell's Idea" Of What Was Actually Going On Down Here. Who's their Rep Down Here, Lori Tobias Is It?
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Recall is being misused in Clatsop LNG fight
By The Oregonian Editorial Board
September 26, 2009, 10:02AM
Wrongheaded recall elections looming in Clatsop County are a sure sign the fight over liquefied natural gas development there has gotten out of hand.
GRP: Fitting irony that the comments to this...this...piece of...Seemingly pro-lng propaganda, from The Oregonian, seems to match the majority of sentiment of the citizens of Clatsop County and The Lower Columbia River region, as it has from day one and that is, they do not appear to be in favor of it or the elected and appointed officials serving in their trust colluding with these private "Energy Speculators" to ram this stuff down their throats as the record should clearly show.
Read Article...Well....Read Whatever This "Puff-Piece" Is
They assuredly have a lot better grasp on a hoot in hells idea of what's going on down here than you do, McGee.
ReplyDelete"Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteThey assuredly have a lot better grasp on a hoot in hells idea of what's going on down here than you do, McGee."
Sure they do, if they assume Joe Desmond or some comparable ilk with Bradwood Landing/NSNG has all the facts but their safe zone is calling an "Editorial".
We all really know what's going on down here don't we?
So, let's see, everything that is pro LNG is developed by the evil LNG companies and delivered by their evil minions like elected officials, the largest newspaper in Oregon, etc. But everything anti LNG is developed by the good hearted and extremely intelligent residents of Clatsop County like you, Laurie Caplin, Roger Rocka, Jan Mitchel (or is that Rocka - did she ever take her husband's name?)and other failed wantabe politicians? Is that the deal in your world, McGee? Or, is it that you are anti LNG (as well as anti everything else, following the Rocka plan) and simply use bogus polls and information to mislead people into believing what you want them to believe?
ReplyDelete"Is that the deal in your world, McGee? Or, is it that you are anti LNG (as well as anti everything else, following the Rocka plan) and simply use bogus polls and information to mislead people into believing what you want them to believe?"
ReplyDeleteWho's asking?
Does Anon REALLY think that the ONLY people in Clatsop County opposed to LNG are Roger Rocka and Laurie Caplan and their jingositic "we was borned here" crap?
ReplyDeleteIf so why not have their "local elected officials" they say are doing so a darned fine job put it on the ballot?
And if they support our "hard working elected officials" then they must be even more in support of Rhone, Bergin, and Marquis.
There's a whole other Republican Party out there besides that Lee, Hazen,Autio,Bridgens and Silent Majority gang that does not support this LNG Scam so don't blame it all on those Progressives and Tree Huggers.
ReplyDeleteyeah, we know...and it's a bunch of crap-the Oregonian got it right-of course, you're in love with The Daily Astorian and we all know what a bunch of liars that special interest serving "editorial" staff is.
ReplyDeleteAnd of course "Anonym 11:13PM", the 95% "Anti-Bradwood/NSNG Concocted Editorial" sentiment pretty much showed "The Oregonian" has been fed a bunch of "Horse Poop" and again, their safety net will be calling it an editorial of which they do not necessarily condone or condemn.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
ReplyDeleteno, the antis are the horse poop peddlers-of course, one must remember this is McGee's site and he's drank all the anti koolaid he can
How so?
How so? You continue to go gaga cutting and pasting all the anti LNG puff pieces spoon fed you by the Daily Assholian and the out of area anti-ilk. You people are a disgrace to the Democratic party with your selfish self centered contempt of the working men and women of this region. You're concerned more about catering to the whims of a few selfish real estated speculators from out of the area than economic stability for our people. We will fight this gentrication and elitism until the last dog is hung.
ReplyDeleteMcGee is a Republican. Whether that's disgraceful to the Democratic party is hard to say, but it doesn't shine a great light on the GOP either, although their only light these days seems to be a flashing red light.
ReplyDeleteMcGee,
ReplyDeleteRobert Thorne is asking, since you seem to think who is asking makes a difference in your reply. Now, do you have a reply?
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteMcGee,
Robert Thorne is asking, since you seem to think who is asking makes a difference in your reply. Now, do you have a reply?
Well, well a courageous move on your part now log in with you name and a verifiable email address and we will talk.
This is McGee's old "call me" tactic that he used in his run for port commissioner to avoid discussing issues he has no knowledge of. Whatever hoops he has you jump through, he will never follow through with an answer to your question. Just watch how he reacts to this.
ReplyDeleteI think this guy really wants to join the real world on these issues and be treated with the respect soemone deserves for holding themselves accountable for what they say.
ReplyDeleteYou unfortunately, will always be what you have always been.
And you have found another chance to avoid answering a question about something you know nothing about.
ReplyDelete"Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteAnd you have found another chance to avoid answering a question about something you know nothing about."
And just what is it I know nothing about and by the way, I commend you on coming directly to this site now as opposed to slinking in through ACJ as if it were some kind of backdoor
Don't expect me to provide the answer you can't come up with. You're not off the hook with this, mr Thorne identified himself and asked a question that you don't want to answer (because you can't).
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
ReplyDeleteDon't expect me to provide the answer you can't come up with. You're not off the hook with this, mr Thorne identified himself and asked a question that you don't want to answer (because you can't).
What question was that?
The alleged Mr. Thorne leveled a bunch of allegations, assumptions and ultimatum, he asked no question.
You have a question you wnat to have answered "Anonym"?
That's it, Mr. McGee. Like the old saying goes, If you can't dazzle them with brillance, baffle them with bullshit.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
ReplyDeleteThat's it, Mr. McGee. Like the old saying goes, If you can't dazzle them with brillance, baffle them with bullshit.
Good Lord!
More drivel inserted into the converation by yet another "Anonym".
You got anything to add to the discussion on, what some are inferring, this BRadwood Landing/ Joe Desmond concocted editorial from THe Oregonian's Editorial Board?
It all fits now with yesterday's news on Bradwood Landing/NSNG slamming into another wall of delay."Gas terminal proposed on the Columbia River hits new snag
By Ted Sickinger, The Oregonian
September 29, 2009, 7:47PM")
We're done with the insults and still have not seen any indication the alleged Mr. Thorne wants to be anything other than anonymous.
The editorial page of the Oregonian, unlike the Daily Astorian, is not at the disposal of special interests and you know it.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
ReplyDeleteThe editorial page of the Oregonian, unlike the Daily Astorian, is not at the disposal of special interests and you know it.
Do you take everything as written on Bradwood Landing's website as fact as well?
Uhh, I've never seen Bradwood Landing's website. Do you take everything the riverkeepers Huhtala and Olivia Schmidt et al say as fact as well? Do you think the Coast Guard has a negative impact on life on the lower Columbia? Do you think an LNG terminal at Bradwood "will destroy the tourist industry in Clatsop County? Well, do you?
ReplyDelete* Yeah, suuuuuuure you haven't.
ReplyDelete* I like to think Peter and Olivia take what I say as fact.
* The Coast Guard does what the Coast Guard does in accord with their mandate
* I don't think an LNG terminal is needed on the lower Columibia much less in Oregon and so far, nobody has demonstrated that need to be a fact at all.
What if we put the ten commandments on the ships and tanks? Will that work for you McGee?
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
ReplyDeleteWhat if we put the ten commandments on the ships and tanks? Will that work for you McGee?
"The Big Ten" works for me personally and its interesting that you would have an interest in them as well and your desire for putting them on ships and tanks is a personal issue on your part and you will have to deal with it as you see fit and best of luck on that.
Patrick McGee said...
ReplyDelete* I like to think ..
* The Coast Guard does what the Coast Guard does
* I don't think an LNG terminal
Nice dodge of the questions, McGee. Now why don't you think real hard and try it again.
Olivia Schmidt et al say as fact as well? Do you think the Coast Guard has a negative impact on life on the lower Columbia? Do you think an LNG terminal at Bradwood "will destroy the tourist industry in Clatsop County? Well, do you?
Anonymous said:"Nice dodge of the questions, McGee. Now why don't you think real hard and try it again.
ReplyDeleteOlivia Schmidt et al say as fact as well? Do you think the Coast Guard has a negative impact on life on the lower Columbia? Do you think an LNG terminal at Bradwood "will destroy the tourist industry in Clatsop County? Well, do you?"
* The Coast Guard does what the Coast Guard does in accord with their mandate
* I don't think an LNG terminal is needed on the lower Columibia much less in Oregon and so far, nobody has demonstrated that need to be a fact at all.
You want to talk to Olivia Schmidt and ask her what she means, contact her at... oliviariver@gmail.com she will be happy to answer your question, I am certain.
Ooops!!!
ReplyDeleteI forgot, you are an "Anonym".
Guess you'll have to figure out how to deal with that yourself in contacting her.
I don't have any questions, nor have I asked any questions for Olivia Schmidt. I asked YOU if you believe everything Schmidt, Huhtala et al spoon feed you. You avoided the Coast Guard question, too. You gave a non answer. As for what "You" think about whether "We" need an LNG terminal, then by all means, if you feel you don't "need" one, then don't buy one, but you are hardly even a casual authority on engergy infrastructure in the 21st century, nor are you very knowledgable about Oregon or the Northwest and it shows.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
ReplyDeleteI don't have any questions, nor have I asked any questions for Olivia Schmidt. I asked YOU if you believe everything Schmidt, Huhtala et al spoon feed you. You avoided the Coast Guard question, too. You gave a non answer. As for what "You" think about whether "We" need an LNG terminal, then by all means, if you feel you don't "need" one, then don't buy one, but you are hardly even a casual authority on engergy infrastructure in the 21st century, nor are you very knowledgable about Oregon or the Northwest and it shows.
Who says "Anonym"?
You says, McGee. You says it just about every time you disgorge your disengenous verbal vomit on this...this...this one horse cyber rag.
ReplyDeleteNemo said...
ReplyDeleteYou says, McGee. You says it just about every time you disgorge your disengenous verbal vomit on this...this...this one horse cyber rag
Yet, you keep showing up to read it and thank you for your patronage.
Au contraire, Grasshopper. It is you who keeps showing up for the lessons from your masters. You see, Grasshopper, when the pupil is ready the teacher will appear. I've tried to enlighten you the past couple of years about how things really are, but you are thick headed and blind to reality. Bradwood will be built because it is our destiny. It doesnt matter how many antis arrive here from California and beyond to try to have their way by crying and whining. They don't have the money or political muscle to stop what we do.It is us, McGee, the landed descendants of the pioneers who do have the resources and the political power to fullfill the promise made so long ago to our ancestors that if we stick with it, prosperity and financial security will be ours and our children,grandchildren and beyond into the future. Remember, McGee, I'm the one who threw you the bone about exporting of the secret but rich gas deposits beneath our lands. Told you that this importing was just a ruse designed to get people looking the other way. You scoffed, but you noticed the recent furor over the raised by the antis at the idea of export that got the Bradwood people issuing big denials. No matter, in the end it will not matter.We've known long before noisey pipsqueaking clowns like Aurebach, Rocka, Don West and all the other fancypants poodle pulling outsiders ever thought about moving to Oregon and strutting around like they know whats best for our people and our area. It's guys like me who run the northwest, McGee, and there's thousands of us. Nobody is going to stop whats coming and thats the way it is. You think just because you move into Astoria that it allows you idiots to actually control our future and the river and valley that is our economic lifeline to the world? We laugh at you-we've been running things here for generations and will continue to do so. You squawk about one little measley pipeline from Bradwood to Longview? Ha!! You can't fathom what is coming because you don't have a clue and never have. If you were a smart man, you'd jump sides and be pro LNG because it is the right thing to do
ReplyDeleteWell, best of luck on that vision of yours "Anonym"
ReplyDelete"Our destiny?"
ReplyDeleteWhat brand of ganga are you smoking?
Does anyone really think that in the very unlikely event someone fronts $1.5 billion to build his plant that the high-paid construction jobs will be "reserved" for locals?
Then how many jobs remain and what kind?
Security guards?
We give up fishing that part (meaning most) of the Columbia for a couple dozen security officer jobs?
You "anons' keep whining about Laurie Caplan and Roger Rocka as if they were the only ones who felt that way.
How do you thing Dirk Rhone got elected by the working class folks of his district?
Why do you think Richard Lee got recalled by such a large margin?
Denial is not a river in Egypt.
Not your "destiny" "John", our destiny. Enconomic stability and financial security trump your recreational fishery-besides, no one is going to force you to stop fishing and you know it. And if you think it's just about a "a couple of dozen security officer jobs" your either lying or your intellectually challenged. Rhohne won because he won. Lee's undoing was for the voter's were bamboozled by a calculated smear campaign via the press which included innuendo, lies and damn lies. Also, here's a little fact for you, ganja boy-Bradwood will be built regardless of who is on the BOCC-it can't and won't be stopped. Get it? You better get used to it or move somewhere else. No one is saying that the "high priced construction jobs" will be reserved for locals, either, so quit whinning about that. Was the Astoria Meglar Bridge built by exlusively "local" workers? No, it was not. South Jetty? Wauna Mill? The Warrenton mega shopping complexs? No on those too. Oh wait, unless you consider that people in the building and marine contstruction trades from Oregon and Washington aren't local. It's going to put a lot of men, machinery and concrete plants with in a fifty mile radius of the site to work. Clowns like Rocka, Schmidt, Caplan, Aurebach, Huhtala et al can't do a thing about it-so you just better accept it and get on with whatever life you got. Which I hope consists of more than crying about your supposed lost fishing time.
ReplyDeleteNow you have a real nice day, ya hear.
Patrick McGee said...
ReplyDeleteYou want to talk to Olivia Schmidt and ask her what she means, contact her at... oliviariver@gmail.com she will be happy to answer your question, I am certain.
Why the hell would I want to talk to Olivia Schmidt? Why do you insist she'd be happy to answer the question posed to YOU whether you believe everything she says as gospel? Why are you "certain" she would? You were the one who was asked the question pertaining to your thoughts and opinion. There is one thing you are good at, McGee,and that is starting something you are incapable of finishing.
Next?
Anonymous said:"Nice dodge of the questions, McGee. Now why don't you think real hard and try it again.
ReplyDeleteOlivia Schmidt et al say as fact as well? Do you think the Coast Guard has a negative impact on life on the lower Columbia? Do you think an LNG terminal at Bradwood "will destroy the tourist industry in Clatsop County? Well, do you?"
* The Coast Guard does what the Coast Guard does in accord with their mandate
* I don't think an LNG terminal is needed on the lower Columibia much less in Oregon and so far, nobody has demonstrated that need to be a fact at all.
You want to talk to Olivia Schmidt and ask her what she means, contact her at... oliviariver@gmail.com she will be happy to answer your question, I am certain.
Patrick McGee babbled...
ReplyDeleteYou want to talk to Olivia Schmidt and ask her what she means, contact her at... oliviariver@gmail.com she will be happy to answer your question, I am certain.
Why the hell would I want to talk to Olivia Schmidt? Why do you insist she'd be happy to answer the question posed to YOU whether you believe everything she says as gospel? Why are you "certain" she would? You were the one who was asked the question pertaining to your thoughts and opinion. There is one thing you are good at, McGee,and that is starting something you are incapable of finishing.
Patrick McGee babbled...
ReplyDeleteYou want to talk to Olivia Schmidt and ask her what she means, contact her
Again, I do not want to talk to that paid by contributors activist who's sole interest in this thing is slathering out bullshit to tweak the emotions of sheep to send her money. And she definitely doesn't wanna talk to me because I know whats going on and would destroy her and her bulloney with the truth. If she is so all knowing and powerful then why don't you email her and beg her to come here, Grasshopper, to your website, and answer my questions in front of the vast throngs of your readers. I demand it. If she doesn't come here or if you don't invite her it just confirms that she is a fake, a liar and a scam artist. Now, go on. Make it happen. Tell her we are waiting. She wont come here because no body is going to pay her to come here. Only fools put any stock in her crap. You've got 48 hours-at the end of 48 hours if she does not check in here it proves beyond any shadow of doubt that she is flim flammer and that you are an empty suit. Move now, the clock is ticking. Try to salvage what shred of credibility you can. You've already demonstrated you are incapable of defending your position unless you cut and paste someone else's writing. You just can't hang with the big dogs, McGee, you try to divert attention away from you and hope some professional activist woman will rescue you. Time is running out, McGee...tick...tock...tick..tock
OVLIVIA SCHMIDT. YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A CHEAP HUSTLER AND A BOGUS SCAM ARTIST. YOUR SO CALLED FACTS AIN'T FACTS BUT A SLICK WELL CONSTRUCTED SET OF MEANINGLESS STATISTICS, CONJECTURE AND OUT AND OUT LIES. NOW GET YOUR LYING ASS ON HERE AND LETS GET IN ON.
This is your last tirade "Anonym".
ReplyDeleteYou want to add something valid to the conversation go for it by all means but no more vitriole.
You are comparing Wauna with Bradwood?
ReplyDeleteOne employs 1500 people and the other will employ 70.
And you need to read some national media if you think THIS federal government, the new FERC, to say nothing of the Governor, Attorney General, and others with lots to say, are going to approve your juggernaut of LNG.
It's another pipe dream, like too many others that people have been scammed before by outsiders looking to make a quick buck and the locals willing to accept their 30 pieces of silver.
Oh, it will be built-it can't and wont be stopped.
ReplyDeleteThe attny gen and governor talk big to appeal to the screwballs, but when it's over Bradwood will be standing and Kroger and Kulongoski will be forgotten
ReplyDelete"Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteOh, it will be built-it can't and wont be stopped."
And what if it isn't?
There is plenty of opinion out there that says LNG Terminals in the overall west cost NG Market and its future is not needed ay all and even the current market is not looking favorable to LNG Speculation.
If you still believe this is soley about importation for domestic use, then please remember this old adage. "It's like taking coal to Newcastle."
ReplyDeleteAs for your regurgitating of anonymous anti's disgengous conjecture regarding opinions about future markets and speculation, well, that's just what it is. Conjecture and opinions of people who are worried about their view from Puget Island and has no valid substance behind it.
Well, Grasshopper, your Guru Forrester's editorial tonight is talking export, not import. You know you'll pick up the party line now-time to change your tune now.
ReplyDelete"Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteWell, Grasshopper, your Guru Forrester's editorial tonight is talking export, not import. You know you'll pick up the party line now-time to change your tune now."
Well, "Nobody" I wonder why it's taken him so long to catch up to the obvious.