GRP: This is the pitch for the proposed Super Container Port at Coos Bay, Oregon
"Port officials are negotiating with APM Terminals North America, the U.S. arm of the world's largest shipping company, Dutch-based A.P. Moller-Maersk Group, to bring as many as 2 million shipping containers to Coos Bay's North Spit each year - five times as many as the Port of Portland
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The project would provide as many as 2,500 permanent local jobs and pump almost $130 million in wages into the state economy. Average wages for those jobs are expected to be $52,000, according to a port-commissioned economic development study. The study also projected that indirect effects could mean 10,000 new jobs statewide, many of them in Eugene - the containers' first stop after being taken off ships and loaded onto trains."
'K' Line pulls up Portland anchor
by Richard Read - The Oregonian
Thursday March 05, 2009, 9:31 PM
Benjamin Brink/The OregonianA container handler moves one of "K" Line's 40-foot-long steel boxes Thursday at the Port of Portland's Terminal 6. The Japanese steamship company will stop calling on Portland in April, eliminating one of the port's three international marine cargo routes.
Portland will lose crucial container service to Japan in April when a Tokyo steamship company scraps a shipping route that spans the globe.
A local manager for "K" Line, which launched the 14-city pendulum-shaped route when times were better only seven months ago, confirmed Thursday that its vessels would stop calling on Portland. The port will lose one of its two Asian shipping links, retaining a European and South American service provided by another cargo carrier....Click For Full Story Below
K Line Sidesteps Port Of Portland
16 comments:
what advantage do we have over portland? we certainly do not have an economic advantage.
Quick in, quick out.
Off-load or on-load at pier, transfer to and from a "Transfer Fleet" of barges, smaller container/bulk ships to upriver ports.
Seems to me you would have better logistic input on this than me but we darned well better do something even unifying/co-oping all "Lower Columbia" ports and infrasturcture for freight transport both sides should be looked at.
the problem we always ran into was the longshore cost and the cost of getting the product to i5.
i'm surprised you are promoting this. you think LNG would change our way of life? what the hell do you think a super port would do to the area?
regardless, it's economics watson.
i'm surprised you are promoting this. you think LNG would change our way of life? what the hell do you think a super port would do to the area?
regardless, it's economics watson.
I feel it's worth a much more thorough investigation rather than just folding up any thought simply because PofP doesn't like it.
Hell, we own the entry and exit to Indian Territory why not be in on deciding its future as opposed to being a subject to a ruling party 139 miles upriver who knows as well as you and I do that the future is truly in our hands down here and they are doomed to the simple concept of time and inconveniece and super ships that will not be able to nor want to navigate that distance at less than capacity and would prefer to get in and out quickly.
What would it do to the area with unified and cooperative ports and combined infrastructure, both sides to get that freight inland by numerous sources plus the direct hires for the facility itself, Railworkers, trucking, barges, smaller container/bulk carriers and an appealing infrastructure for cohesive and capatible industries taking advantage of the resources to get their product to market.
I'm curious to see what Huhtala would say on this.
we gave it a very thorough study when i was at the port. you might ask floyd to chime in. he is knowledgeable about the subject. and you know it pains me to say that.
g said...
we gave it a very thorough study when i was at the port. you might ask floyd to chime in. he is knowledgeable about the subject. and you know it pains me to say that.
Well, Floyd's welcome to show up and input any time but, we know river health and environment will be a mjor hurdle to amicably overcome.
That question is, can it be done without a war?
Patrick,
Where in Astoria are the vast, flat spaces necessary for unloading and storage of cargo? Please compare the available space here to that in Portland. And, as you may or may not know, it is much cheaper to ship things pound for pound and size for size by ship rather than by rail,truck,air or car. So, what do you see as the cost offset for a business to land cargo in Astoria and ship it to Portland by rail, truck, air or car vs. landing the cargo in Portland? If you see Astoria as a major truck and rail terminal so that Portland or Klama can be bypassed, please explain how that would work. Your usual discerning analysis is eagerly awaited.
Anonymous said: "If you see Astoria as a major truck and rail terminal so that Portland or Klama can be bypassed, please explain how that would work. Your usual discerning analysis is eagerly awaited."
I see a "Transfer Fleet" of barges, smaller container/bulk carriers in addition to rail and truck freight conveyance to distribution upriver all dispatched from an adequate port facility to accommodate the ships not wanting to traverse 139 miles of river over a quick in and out down here.
Ah, yes. It is cheaper, then, for an international shipping line to have its ships dock in Astoria, go through customs and immigration, pay the docking fees, and pay the longshoremen to transfer the load to other vessels who pay docking fees and move the cargo to Portland, where the ships pay docking fees and pay the longshoremen to unload once again. This, rather than spending 6 to 8 hours to pay docking fees and unload in Portland. I would certainly like to the figures on how this vision would be enticing to international shippers.
Anonymous said:"I would certainly like to see the figures on how this vision would be enticing to international shippers"
I'd like to see those figures myself but, isn't all this what ports do?
Anonymous said...
McGee knows nothing about Ports and international shipping.
But, I can learn in a hurry and I know this much, river commerce means money and good, long term jobs for many and not just short term gain with an end result of a few jobs for a handful.
What do you know other than cowardice and unaccountability "ANONYMOUS"?
If you knew the first damn thing about river commerce you'd know that Bradwood is the right thing to do. And you actually know less about shipping in and out of the river than that. Up above you were crowing "We" own the entrance to Indian Country", what kind'a stupid bullshit is that? Did someone entitle you to the Columbia River, McGee? Is that what you're trying to get somebody to swallow?
Anonymous said...
If you knew the first damn thing about river commerce you'd know that Bradwood is the right thing to do. And you actually know less about shipping in and out of the river than that. Up above you were crowing "We" own the entrance to Indian Country", what kind'a stupid bullshit is that? Did someone entitle you to the Columbia River, McGee? Is that what you're trying to get somebody to swallow?
You have anything substantive to contribute "Anonymous" to the subject?
If not this will be your last post.
"Anonymous said...
If you knew the first damn thing about river commerce you'd know that Bradwood is the right thing to do."
what makes YOU think bradwood gas is the right thing other than you being a smart ass, smart ass?
Anonymous said...
If you knew the first damn thing about river commerce you'd know that Bradwood is the right thing to do.
The answer lies in whether you can accept the fact that Bradwood, its pipeline and upheaval of infrastructure is even needed.
Palomar says we do not need but one pipeline coming out of the Rockies, East to tie into the Williams Pipeline and TransCanada Pipelines to service the West Coast's Natural Gas needs for many years to come while we transition to alternative and sustainable energy sources.
The two pipelines and their infrastructure with, little modificiation, already exist and should readily accept a tie-in already slated for construction in 2011 in Stanfield, Oregon.
Anything else is superfluous and uneeded except maybe for just plain old profiteering and attempt by the likes of a NSNG/Bradwood Landing and Oregon LNG/Skipanon to export this much needed Natural Gas, in LNG form, to Non-U.S. NG Clients
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