8/28/2009 10:48:00 AM
From The Daily Astorian - Letters To The Editor
Letter: Another viewpoint by: Charles Deister, Northern Start Natural Gas, Salem. Oregon GRP: One can only imagine whose ears this guy is bending down at the seat of our State Government and with this message yet?
The Daily Astorian's editorial (Sen. Jeff Merkley exposes the dirty little secret about Bradwood LNG" (only exposed the editorial writer's misunderstanding of basic economics and how natural gas markets work.Regarding the idea of a ban on exporting natural gas from Bradwood Landing or any other Oregon LNG terminal, NorthernStar Natural Gas is not opposed to the idea. As we have previously told several state officials, the idea of exporting LNG from an Oregon terminal is so patently absurd that we would happily sign a contract with the state of Oregon or any requisite federal authority committing that our facility would never export gas. This offer still stands...You Gotta Read This!
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"We demand that big business give the people a square deal; in return we must insist that when anyone engaged in big business honestly endeavors to do right he shall himself be given a square deal." Theodore Roosevelt - Letter to Sir Edward Grey
November 15, 1913
"The idea that the Bradwood terminal could be an export terminal is a myth, and frankly, one of the most bizarre we've heard yet. There can be no rational discussion of domestic supply options without consideration for what it would cost to make those supplies available for purchase." - Charles Deister, Northern Star Natural Gas
These characters ain't nowhere close.
What is so bizarre is that time and time again when told by professional planners(Tax paid), unanimous vote and general public sentiment these carpetbaggers are not wanted here that our leaders still don't hear it and are hellbent on letting this tragedy be perpetrated on us all still.
And now this nonsense from some guy that actually gets paid to say this stuff.
Too bad for you that it isn't nonsense, it's simply factual information in response to a politician's political posturing - right after the AG's doing the same thing and getting the same response...that an import terminal simply cannot turn around and be an export terminal.
You people just make me ill - what unanimous vote? There has not been a vote YET that specifically say's "Should we allow a LNG plant to be built in Clatsop County". And you know why? Because public opinion does NOT get to dictate what a private company can and cannot do, as long as they do everything legally and above-board.
Personally, I cannot stand the Oregon LNG project and hope it dies a quick death - but there is absolutely nothing wrong with the project that will be built 25 miles away from Astoria! Wow! We'll have a ship going by every few days - big deal!
Mcgee's poll here says it loud and clear Charles.
Measure 4-131 said it loud and clear when 2-1 of the 58% of clatsop voters said absolutely not to Bradwood Landing's pipeline going through sensitvely zoned OPR property.
The next attempt at rezoning that same property will probably be contested too.
GRP Straw Poll Ends: Would You Support An Initiative To Put LNG Siting And Development In Clatsop County To A Vote?
There were a total of 203 voters and of those 203 on the questions below they said:
Yes To An Initiative - 173(85%)
No To An Initiative - 22 (10%)
Yes To LNG - 33 (16%)
No To LNG -154 (75%)
Yes To Look At
Other Industry -155(76%)
No To Look At
Other Industry - 21(10%)
If you think I believe McGee's poll here even one iota, you're sadly mistaken. I don't believe there are 173 people who even LOOK at this blog.
McGee himself has outlined on other boards, how to manipulate online polls.
Every single actual poll that has been done in this county, either by polling companies or by the newspaper, has come out pretty close on the issue, with way more people undecided than opposed.
4-131 was not a "vote on LNG", simply a vote on a pipeline location. Many people who support the LNG terminal didn't support the pipeline through OPR simply because they were worried it would set a precedence for the longer pipelines in the future. It did not imply "loud and clear" that the majority of people in Clatsop County don't want LNG.
It is skewing the facts, just as you did in the above post, that makes me the angriest about all of the anti-everything groups.
This is my response to Desiter's LTE and no fact skewing here, in my view..Posted: Saturday, August 29, 2009
Article comment by: pat mcgee
Sorry, forgot one more point Deister.
So, Northern Star Natural Gas is going to spend $800,000,000 or so to build and get this, a Liquefied Natural Gas Transfer/Storage Terminal with a planned lifetime of 50 to 60 years and intentionally have it work only one way and not be able to reverse load onto an LNG Tanker for export?
I got a feeling this is where the mistrust and negativity about this scheme and the questionable integrity of these Energy Speculators comes into play and our our esteemed Senator Merkley is concerned that legislation be enacted to make sure you don't do it without authorization.
Do you people truly believe that the majority of us on the Lower Columbia River are that easily duped?
Yes, we, as some people may suggest, have made some bad choices in leadership but that, at this moment, is being addressed by these same citizens you hold in such low esteem and it's very sad that it has come to this.
Deister says:"The idea that the Bradwood terminal could be an export terminal is a myth, and frankly, one of the most bizarre we've heard yet."
Yeah! Right!"
Actually, exporting will be better for the PNW than importing the stuff....Doesn't matter how many of these antis move in here from California and squawk--the Bradwood facility will be built--a handufll of noisey antis aint gonna be able to buck the global energy business
Anyway, it's none of your goddamn business, McGee, if Bradwood exports or imports-you dont any right to dictate to them how to run their industry and do they're marketing just as they don't have the right to interfere with your bullshit houseplans marketing ploy. Grow up and mind your own business
Anonymous said...
"Anyway, it's none of your goddamn business, McGee, if Bradwood exports or imports-you dont any right to dictate to them how to run their industry and do they're marketing just as they don't have the right to interfere with your bullshit houseplans marketing ploy. Grow up and mind your own business"
Your best bet "Anonym 11:21AM" is to take your complaint about NSNG's, Deister's "Hooey" to Senator Merkley, or his Washington counterpart, as he's a helluva lot closer to shutting those "Energy Speculators" export schemes down than you or me.
By infrastructure you mean NG pipelines?
They are already there with a link, 560 some mile Sunstone Stone out of Wyoming(Eastern NG Supply)to Stanfield, Oregon to tie into The Williams and TransCanada Pipelines to start in 2011 and don't forget the new Alaska NG, just approved, overland to Alberta Province to a MidWest U.S. tie-in thereby pretty much negating, as most pundits say, any real need for West Coast LNG Speculation and siting to meet the market demands as they are not really needed at all.
Even Oregon LNG will not divuldge, to my understanding, a start date on their project because of the NG market futures.
But hey, you believe or deny what you want, it's your right regardless of reality.
You have no idea what is coming....By infrastructure I mean pipelines: to serve wells, refineries/LNG plants/shipping terminals to make natural gas available for power plants and fuel both domestic and abroad. On the issue of exporting LNG, well, it makes perfect sense to tap into the rich Asian markets along the North, Central, and Southern Western Pacific coasts and island nations. I also believe that the vast majority of Americans in the future will be driving motor vehicles powered on natural gas long before they'll be drivng something powered by hydrogen, electric/battery, solar, wind, whatever.
Why on earth anyone would be sniveling over the prospect of exporting anything from the Northwest? Selling our products on the national and international markets has been what brings in the money here. How long and how much wheat and barley have been shipped out of the river and who benefited?
Never hear anyone crying about that "export", have you? And timber products-the treehuggers banned the export of logs from federal lands, but if you've ever watched how many log ships go down river loaded up? So now an export of the future may be natural gas that comes from under land thats' belonged to familes for generations. You think they are going to be denied the opportunity to honor their leases and let the drilling begin? You think some bellhop from California thinks that because he works at the Cannery Pier motel his opinion of what the future of the entire Northwest is better than the people of the Northwest? Do you think because you live in Astoria and to ingratiate yourself into the fold of all these other blithering morons who've just moved here that you are going to stop this project and the ones to follow? If you do, then you are way further gone than most of us believed possible anyway
And yet, "Anonym 10:53AM", you insult all involved because you know who they are but, you are still too much of a coward to take a public stand which makes your argument totally inane and wasted.
my coments/argument are not inane nor wasted. You're in denial because you think you have all the answers, well, you dont have all the answers, McGee, though you think you do, you really dont have an idea of what the PNW needs and can use to expand our position in global markets.
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